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Johanna Brown
Oral history interview conducted by Sarita Daftary-Steel
March 16, 2014
Call number: 2015.011.03
0:00 - Introduction
0:49 - Moving to a Hasidic Jewish neighborhood and subsequent White flight
3:14 - Homeownership and strong community ties in Bedford-Stuyvesant and East New York
4:47 - Drugs and the decline of the community
8:27 - Schools, students, and parent-teacher relationships
12:42 - Local businesses and a close-knit community
16:31 - Mixed race couples and resistance to White flight
18:43 - Moving to Linden Houses and integrated community Part 1
20:52 - Aspiring to improve and disinterest among some in the community
23:02 - Education and child rearing
30:12 - Decline in services, community activism, and corruption
35:14 - Overcrowded schools, the value of education, and integration
39:53 - Father’s childhood and service in World War II
43:30 - Childhood home on Ashford Street
43:44 - Bishop McDonnell Memorial High School for Girls
44:40 - Integration and resistance at PS 108 Part 1
46:08 - Attending Catholic school and interracial friendships
50:37 - Integration and resistance at PS 108 Part 2
54:46 - Neighborhood decline and middle class flight
60:00 - Crime, heroin epidemic, and lack of police
66:40 - Adapting to neighborhood crime
69:45 - Relationship between West Indians and African Americans
71:45 - The neighborhood’s effect on her character
72:30 - Shooting of childhood friend and living with community violence
81:15 - Moving to Linden Houses and integrated community Part 2
86:38 - Education, Thomas Jefferson High School, and race relations
93:27 - Middle class community at Linden Houses and drugs
96:17 - United Community Centers, her mother, and Morris L. Eisenstein
103:23 - Decline of Linden Houses and the 1977 blackout
111:14 - Crack cocaine epidemic and destruction of families
117:12 - Crime in the projects and snitching
122:10 - Gentrification and leaving East New York after retirement
128:27 - Hope for the future
Interview Description
Oral History Interview with Johanna Brown
Johanna Brown was born in Brooklyn, New York, in 1954. Her father was an African American who was born in Georgia, raised in Philadelphia, and moved to New York after serving in World War II. Her mother was the daughter of African immigrants from Cape Verde. In 1960, her family moved from the Bedford-Stuyvesant neighborhood of Brooklyn to Ashford Street in the East New York neighborhood of Brooklyn. The family later moved to the Linden Houses, and finally to the Starrett City (Spring Creek) section of the neighborhood, where she continues to live with her son (as of 2015). She attended PS 108, Bishop McDonnell Memorial High School for Girls, and Thomas Jefferson High School, and now works for the New York City Transit Authority.
In the interview, Johanna Brown discusses moving to a predominantly Jewish section of the East New York neighborhood of Brooklyn, White flight and the decline of services in the area, racism and resistance to integrating public schools, interracial friendships, life at the Linden Houses and Starrett City, United Community Centers, the devastating effect of drugs on the community, the rise of crime and violence (including the murder of a school friend), and the effect of gentrification on the future of the neighborhood. The interview was conducted by Sarita Daftary-Steel at Brown's home in East New York.
Approximately twelve minutes of the interview has been removed for privacy reasons.
The collection consists of twenty oral history interviews (with nineteen narrators) conducted by Sarita Daftary-Steel with residents (past and present) of the East New York neighborhood of Brooklyn. The interviews were conducted between January 2014 and February 2015. The project was designed to capture the experiences of East New York residents who lived in the neighborhood during the period when families of color (African American, West Indian, and Puerto Rican) moved in and White families moved out, and the resulting decline of services and quality of life that followed. This process began as early as the 1950s and continued through the rest of the twentieth century. Sarita Daftary-Steel is a community organizer who worked for United Community Centers from 2003 to 2013, most of those years as the East New York Farms! Project Director.
Citation
Brown, Johanna, Oral history interview conducted by Sarita Daftary-Steel, March 16, 2014, Sarita Daftary-Steel collection of East New York oral histories, 2015.011.03; Brooklyn Historical Society.People
- Bishop McDonnell Memorial High School for Girls (Brooklyn, New York, N.Y.)
- Brown, Johanna
- Linden Houses (Housing complex)
- P.S. 108 (Brooklyn, New York, N.Y.)
- P.S. 158 (Brooklyn, New York, N.Y.)
- Starrett City (Housing complex)
- Thomas Jefferson High School (Brooklyn, New York, N.Y.)
- United Community Centers, Inc.
Topics
- African Americans
- Crime
- Drug abuse
- Gentrification
- Housing
- Public housing
- Public schools
- Race relations
- School integration
Places
- Brooklyn (New York, N.Y.)
- East New York (New York, N.Y.)
Finding Aid
Sarita Daftary-Steel collection of East New York oral histories